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And speaking of fools...I guess I'm one!

Dear Kevin = After fully reviewing the citations presented as bolsters for your assertions as well as visiting "The Scholars for 9/11 Truth" website, I now have become suspicious of the review process by which you were awarded your "PhD" and am urging my congresspersons to launch a fullscale investigation into such. msanglier@aol.com


hahahahahhahahahhahah!!!! a full-scale Congressional investigation!!!
maybe my committee and I can end up sharing a cell with Abramoff.
ROFLOL
K

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MUJCA FOUNDER ON ERSKINE TALK RADIO SAT. 2/25 11 pm. Central

Kevin,

Terrific talking with you this afternoon. We'll be in touch before the interview, but I'm confirming our time for 11PM Saturday Feb. 25. Please go to my website for listing of guests & more info. www.Erskineonradio.com . Call Anytime after noon (your time) @ 866) 215-4088. You can listen on 1670 WTDY Madison. Our call-in number is 800) 259-9231 and emergency studio number 8770 996-4327 ext. 125. Looking forward to a GREAT interview.
Erskine

I'd like to interview you or one of your authors about 911. Terror & 911 were the pretext for the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. This was the pretext for Homeland Security, spying on Americans, hatreds against the
Muslims, in short the entire Bush agenda is fabricated on the validity of their 911 account. IF this can be unraveled we can make an effort to return America to sanity.

We're on 40 + Stations on Genesis Communications Network Saturday nights.

Erskine

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Kevin,

Thank you for speaking at the LPDC meeting.

I just re-read your article in the Cap Times, that the Bin Laden tape is a fake George Bush commercial.  I certainly agree with that.

Sincerely,

Rolf
Libertarian Party of Dane County

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ANOTHER COOL LIBERTARIAN

As for 9/11, I have been studying it for about 3 years and have a couple of the videos, In Plane Sight and Loose Change. I get lots of info from a handful of web sites, notably Alex Jones PrisonPlanet and Jeff Rense. Here are the links of these and some others if you do not know of them. See you later.
http://prisonplanet.com/ 
http://www.rense.com/   
http://www.letsroll911.org/          
 http://physics911.net/    
 http://tvnewslies.org/html/where_the_hell_is_your_9_11_pr.html    
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_911.html           
Bruce
The dominator species has led us down a blind alley.
Terence McKenna


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This from a former student:

Hi Kevin.  I liked your article - controversial, I think.  The tapes do surface at politically convenient times for the Bush Regime ... I mean Bush Administration.  I am just wondering what evidence there is that bin Laden is dead. 

Shannon McNeill 

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Kevin thanks for breaking thought and breaking down the propaganda.
Keep contributing to the Capital Times.

Tim Togstad
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Kevin;  I am amazed at how the MUJCA web site has changed.  It looks great!  You must be extremely busy with all of the speaking engagements you have.  I am glad for the information about the cartoons.  I will be sharing that with Siv, since she is from Denmark.
 
I recently finished reading  Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed's "The War on Truth, 9/11. Disinformation, and the Anatomy of Terrorism". 2005 edition.  I agree that this point-of-view needs to be part of the next edition of "The Challenge of Islam" class....
 
Best of luck in your work.   Jim
 
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Dear Kevin Barrett, Jim Senyszyn, and Faiz,

I am excited to see that Mujca will be having an event in Peoria on March 4th, and am interested in attending.
(My mother lives near Pekin and is ill, so I am traveling to Peoria on a regular basis and will be in town that weekend).

Before moving to Kansas City in 2000, my husband Eric and I lived in Peoria. Eric was very involved in the HOI Sierra Club. I have a vague remembrance of Jim's last name, so perhaps we have met through that group or another progressive group there?  Because of my own self publishing work there and Eric's environmental work in Peoria, it is possible that I would be able to meet an old press contact while in town to perhaps persuade him or his best friend to attend and write a favorable article about your event in the PJS . Do you have a press release for this event, or a press packet?

May I videotape and photograph your event, as a 911 truth movement press person? I would be happy to copy all photos to a cd and send it along for use as you see fit.

Thank you,
Jan Hoyer
http://digitalstyledesigns.com/pages/about.htm
http://www.digitalstyledesigns.com/
http://911research.wtc7.net/

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MUJCA FOUNDER NEEDS HELP!!!

On Feb 20, 2006, at 10:37 AM, <stevenssmith@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Read you paranoia laden diatribe.

Please get help. Total self absorption is truly unhealty. The psychosis induced from standing too close to the educational flame, will only deepen and the delusions expand to the point of consumption.
I see in you the seeds of the next unabomber.

....or perhaps the government really is out to get you!

Help is right! Now even YOU are out to get me!!! ; )

Please check out the list of folks at Scholars for 9/11 Truth. Add on Senator Barbara Boxer, Gore Vidal, Paul Craig Roberts, Robert Bowman, John Cobb, Rosemary Reuther, Cynthia McKinney, Bob McChesney, Michael Meacher, Andreas Von Bulow, John McMurtry, Paul Thompson, Michel Chossudovsky, etc. etc. etc. Then tack on 89% of al-Jazeera's audience, 63% of Canadians, and 49% of NYC residents.

"They" are going to have a very long list of very smart, sane people to persecute!
(As well as a few crazy ones, undoubtedly.)

Cheers

Kevin

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Kevin,

I'm perhaps more open minded than you think, but my specialty is airplanes and that's the aspect of this I'm comfortable commenting on and analyzing.

The Pentagon wreckage theory is bunk; the skyjacker's lack of flying skills argument is bunk (re-reading the Sagadevan account you showed me, I picked out several technical errors along with its overall tactic of obfuscation-by -fluffery). By extrapolation, I'm going to be very skeptical when I hear some alleged expert talking about controlled demolitions, because that's something I know nothing about.

I'd be interested in looking at the Steven Jones paper, sure, but I'd be much more comfortable, and would feel far more informed, listening to a *debate,* featuring opposing views on this issue, because then you get a stronger sense of both sides. And I don't want to hear it from a proclaimed September 11th skeptic or web host, I want to hear it from actual demolition experts.

I agree that there are many strange circumstances surrounding the attacks.  However, considering the administration's general secretiveness and recalcitrance surrounding just about *everything.* I'm not terribly
surprised.

Patrick Smith
 Salon.com

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Yo Doc K!  My staff is in love with your site and mission, so I thought a bit of our chatter would be of interest.  I'm quite pleased that MUJCA is becoming so well regarded!  CPTMAY


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Presumably you've read the review of Professor Lawrence's book and one other in the latest New York Review of books? 

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18750  I wrote the following LTE in response.  You might want to consider writing also, as your opinion would carry more clout.
 

February 20, 2006
 
To the editor:
 
Max Rodenbeck’s article in the March 9, 2006 edition of NYR was a good overview of bin Laden’s past history.  However, I’m wondering on what basis he thinks that bin Laden is still alive.  In 1999, the Washington Post interviewed a voicemorphing expert.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm
 
"Gentlemen! We have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government." So begins a statement being delivered by Gen. Carl W. Steiner, former Commander-in-chief, U.S. Special Operations Command.
 
At least the voice sounds amazingly like him.
 
But it is not Steiner. It is the result of voice "morphing" technology developed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.
 
By taking just a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner's voice, scientist George Papcun is able, in near real time, to clone speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile. Steiner was so impressed, he asked for a copy of the tape.
 
Steiner was hardly the first or last victim to be spoofed by Papcun's team members. To refine their method, they took various high quality recordings of generals and experimented with creating fake statements. One of the most memorable is Colin Powell stating "I am being treated well by my captors."
 
"They chose to have him say something he would never otherwise have said," chuckled one of Papcun's colleagues.
 
 
So, granting that the CIA identified bin Laden’s voice on the tape, we still cannot conclude that he actually made the recording.  And they may be wrong on this—there is some disagreement among experts as to the identity of the voice on the current bin Laden tape.
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4628738.stm
 
CIA analysts have concluded the voice on the tape was that of Bin Laden, making it the first time he has been heard from since December 2004.
 
However, other analysts familiar with Bin Laden's voice are divided as to whether the voice really is his.
 
Furthermore, at least one native speaker of Arabic familiar with bin Laden’s tapes thinks the original speech was written in English.  Since bin Laden can speak English and was supposedly addressing Americans, why go through this rigamarole?  Why no mention of Allah, specifically?  Can you think of any other actors on the world stage who might write a bin Laden speech in English who would benefit politically from its appearance at the present time? Like for instance, an American administration needing justification for its proposal to permanently impose the invasion of the privacy of its citizens as the new norm in violation of longstanding constitutional norms?
 
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/terrorism/jan-june06/osama_1-19.html
 
MAMOUN FANDY: Right, but this particular tape is not terribly inspiring, just looking at the language of it. This is the first tape of bin Laden that has no single verse from the Koran. It does not have the flowery language of Arabic.
 
It seems to me that it is written in English first, and then translated into Arabic. It is very western style of tape. It is not very characteristic of bin Laden, at least it tells me that the non-Arabic speaking within the al-Qaida network are taking over the organization –
 
JIM LEHRER: You mean he didn't write this is what you are suggesting?
 
MAMOUN FANDY: The Arabic speakers in al-Qaida, the parts that are coming from the Arab world, are losing to the non-Arabic speaker, so it's really becoming more of a South Asian organization, rather than an Arab organization.
 
Other experts in the Arabic language are close to 100% certain that the most recent tapes cannot possibly be bin Laden, including the author of one of the books under review!  Certainly this fact should have been mentioned, don’t you think?
 
http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/column/index.php?ntid=72574&ntpid=1
 
The trouble is, it's all based on a Big Lie. Take the recent "bin Laden" tape please! That voice was no more bin Laden than it was Rodney Dangerfield channeling my late Aunt Corinne from Peoria. I recently helped translate a previously unknown bin Laden tape, a real one from the early '90s, back when he was still alive. I know the guy's flowery religious rhetoric. The recent tape wasn't him.
 
The top American bin Laden expert agrees. Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University's religious studies department, has just published a book of translations of bin Laden's speeches. He says that the recent tape is a fake and that it is possible bin Laden is not even alive.
 
Fake bin Laden tapes, "verified" by the CIA, are nothing new. Every supposed bin Laden statement since 2001 has been blatantly bogus. The last we heard from the real bin Laden came in his post-9/11 statements to Pakistani journalists: "I stress that I have not carried out this act, which appears to have been carried out by individuals with their own motivation. ... I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. ... I had no knowledge of these attacks."
 
 
Surely the use of morphing technology would leave a signature on an audio tape that could be detected by experts such as Dr. Papcun.  We now require a new class of public functionary, similar to a notary public, to verify that audio, video and graphic evidence has not been altered.
 
If voice morphing was not used on any of the recent tapes, we ought to have public documentation of that fact as well.  If bin Laden has terminal kidney disease, he would have to be in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan for access to adequate medical facilities.  I’m wondering why Mr. Rodenbeck has not speculated on bin Laden’s current whereabouts.
 
Sincerely,
 
Martha Koester
10015 Second Avenue South
Seattle, WA  98168
fomalhaut2003@yahoo.com

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Jim, Kevin and Carl:

Regarding this link in the resources section, you might want to see the following article, with links to actual photos:  http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2005/12/pumped-up.html

Alex.

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This news you sent about Pravda is a VERY big breakthrough.  It means a major power, a major government in the world, has come on board the 9-11 movement, albeit with a low profile.  Russia, it seems, is taking all available steps to stop the coming war in IRAN and the forward march of American troops (to their death)

maalik bennett

I agree.


Twenty years ago who would have believed that Pravda and the Russians would step in to save America's Constitutional freedoms?

Kevin


Lots of Email on Op-Ed in Madison's Capital Times!
footnoted version is at http://mujca.com/osama
http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/column/index.php?ntid=72574&ntpid=1
Kevin Barrett: Bin Laden tapes are as phony as Sept. 11's connection to Islam
By Kevin Barrett

Kevin, your article about the fake Bin Laden tapes was fantastic and widely reproduced :)

Now that you're a member of S9/11T (WELCOME ABOARD!!!), did you know that professor Lawrence not only said the things you quoted him as saying, but he also told Steve Jones in private correspondence that the fatty bin laden confession tape is fake?  Since this is the single piece of evidence "linking" bin laden to 9/11, I've been asking Steve Jones to ask Lawrence to say this publicly.

This would blow the lid off of the whole affair!

Steve's been too busy to follow up on this.  Maybe you could nudge him or Lawrence on this?

Alex.

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Dear Kevin:
 
I read your article in the Madison Capitol Times about Bin Laden.  It spoke truth to power.  I have been frustrated since 9/11 wondering how long it will take for the people to realize what really happened and do something.  I put my hope in the democrats, but after the election realized that many of them are part of the plan.  I think the really honest democrats and republicans are running scared.  They are frightened by this current administration.  That is the reason they do not question them or investigate any of the corruption that slaps them in the face daily.  They know if the are not submissive and comply they will be punished.  Our government has been hijacked by the current administration and their corporate backers, and they have been planning this for a long time.  That is the reason any one with integrity in the government has not been speaking out more forcibly about what is going on and about all  the in-your-face corruption.  They fear if they speak out, they will land up like Senator Paul Wellstone and his family - dead. 
 
What can the average everday citizen do to reverse this takeover?  We cannot vote - they own the machines and manipulate the votes; and even if an honest politician who wants to make a difference slips through, they are dealt with in the deadliest way. I have been looking for the answer, but it seems to be found nowhere.  I am frustrated and angry and no longer believe in anything including God.  How could a supreme being let this happen and continue to let it happen?  Where can the answers be found?
 
Mary 

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Dear Kevin,

Many thanks for the article on the bin Laden tapes (sent to me here in Bavaria from a friend on the Big Island, Hawaii). I consider myself better informed than most, but your article was a showstopper. I thought the tape released before the Nov. '04 US elections (my transcript from the Wash. Post is dated Nov.2) was right on, but now I'm stymied. Is the CIA so clever that they would write precisely what one familiar with the Arab/Islamist/Mid East mindset would assume bin Laden would say?? Frankly, I hadn't given them that much credit. If so, they fooled me and several journalists that wrote OPED's about the tape, for example in the NY Times. At least now you've made me more cautious about what I accept as legitimate, and particularly about any more tapes.
 
New subject. I noticed you are a co-founder of a Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance. As a long time peace activist, both in the US and in Germany, I'm similarly engaged with my friend, Prof. (emer, of Mid East History) Reiner Bernstein and his wife Judith (who was born in Israel). Reiner maintains the German homepage for the Geneva Accords. He and Judith have been bringing Israelis and Palestinians together for about 30 years to encourage dialogue leading to a peaceful resolution of the Arab-Israeli conflict. I can put you in touch with them if you are ever interested in expanding the scope of your Alliance. And I'd be happy to help you in any way I can if you are in the Munich area.
Best regards,
John Otranto, CDR, USCG, (ret.)

Dear John,

Thanks for the lucid feedback.

In my opinion they're not scripting the Osama tapes all that well--some of them sound like they were originally written in English, then translated into Arabic, which presumably they were. In the latest one, like some of the others, his trademark religious rhetoric completely disappears, replaced by words from the mouths of Bush's political enemies--proof that they're "with the terrorists" ! Frankly I wouldn't give the hoaxers more than a C-plus at best. Professor Lawrence, who knows Osama a lot better than I do, seems to agree. Along with judging the latest tape a fraud, he has privately stated the obvious about the "confession" video of 12/13/01, and I will continue to pester him to say it in public.

So you don't need to give al-CIA-duh that much credit. Likewise, if you look more closely at the evidence around 9/11, you will see the same pattern--"incompetence" and "inside job" are not mutually exclusive! If the spooks weren't such Constitution-subverting slimeballs they could attract better people.

As for "fooling" the NY Times, if you think they believe a word they print in that rag...remember, ex-CIA chief Colby boasted that he owned the 100 most influential journalists in America, and it's only gotten worse since then.

Anyway, I would love to get in touch with the Bernsteins!

Kevin

PS Since you're in Munich, do you know Gerhard Wisnewski? I'm trying to get some of his stuff translated for a book we're co-authoring...

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dear sir,
 
i am french and i would like to learn more about your web site, can you translate your web site in french because here in france and all over the world we need to know the truth to!
 
thank you very much for your precious help

[Kevin responds in French: "Sure, translate it!" ]

coucou Kevin!

merci pour cette réponse rapide! si je trouve une personne bilingue qui souhaite traduire le site, quelle est la marche à suivre, comment doit elle faire concrètement et techniquement?

merci pour votre aide

thanks a lot

Manel

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Dear Dr Barraett

Salaam Aleikum

(I realize you may not be a Muslim, but that introduces me, in any event.)

I have just finished reading your most engaging article on the bin Laden tapes. Indeed, considering your credentials-plus-content, I feel I should invite you to visit our website with a view to joining our effort::

http://www.physics911.net

The Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-eleven is now nearly three years old and has been analysing evidence and presenting its results on the internet over that period. We are engineers, scientists, physicians, airline pilots,
military officers, intelligence officers, and a variety of other professions We form a loose network of cooperating individuals, each working out of the area of his or her own expertise.

I recently posted an article entitled "Islam Does Not Support Terrorism" on our website. You will spot it easily. I appear to be the only Muslim in our organization of 32 professionals. Not that it makes any important
difference, but we have five or six (ethnic) Jews, one or two avowed Christians, the rest being lapsed Christian, secular/atheist, the usual mix.

I tell you all this because I so rarely get to talk to anyone who is knowledgeable about a) the deception being practiced on us all, and b) Islam. There are few enough Muslims, strangely enough, who actually understand the problem. In general, the Muslim community on North America is so fearful of rocking the boat that they avoid even thinking about September 11, let alone questioning it. That said, the level of suspicion in the North
American Ummah is higher than that of the surrounding population. If 15% of North Americans are suspicious about Sept 11, then perhaps 25% of the Muslim fraction is equally suspicious.

Muslims are afraid even to use the word 'jihad' out loud, let alone engage in something meaningful by way of a struggle against oppression. How can they fight a ghost-enemy, while behind them the real enemy directs the action?

If you have the time, I would appreciate comments and criticisms from you regarding the website. Should you feel tempted to join us, you may as well know that there are no rules, per se, only that you subscribe to the very
general statement near the top of the LIST OF MEMBERS page (button on panel)

(Oh, one other rule. We have all agreed to treat each other with respect and to encourage a collegial atmosphere.)

We also require a working phone number for you, a mailing address, and your highest decree or professional certificate, along with the institution that granted it. So, if you are attracted by this prospect and do not find the
membership criteria too onerous, I hereby invite you to join.

Best wishes,

Kee (Khalil) Dewdney

Coordinator: Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-eleven

ps: I also meant to invite you to post some version of your article on our
website - regardless of whether you join, but especially welcome if you do.

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Kevin,

After reading your take on the Bin Laden tapes at http://www.unknownnews.org/060214a-Barrett.html, I thought you might want to see my take on the infamous fat-Osama video at http://www.dcdave.com/article4/011216.html.

This deception of the American people has been going on for quite some time. Please check out http://www.dcdave.com/article4/040927.html and follow the links to get a real education.

Dave

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Hi, on the history channel  (cable don't know which one that is wasn't my TV),  last night 8th, was a documentary on control demolition professionals - interesting show but what was the most interesting thing about it was that they said there are only 15 capable people in the WORLD.

Sincerely Helen - wish I was an investigative journalist.

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Dear all,

It makes me so optimistic to see these three faiths working together intellectually and spiritually just like in pre-crusade and pogrom times. I hope more and more people of all faiths join you, deciding they will not be manipulated into hatred anymore. I hope you will also work with hindus, buddhist, athiests, gay people, agnostics, humanists... anyone who is keen to see the truth, as I am in the UK.

Marvellous! Seeing your site really gave me hope after the manipulated psyop of the cartoon protests.

Good on you guys- and gals! As a physics student working towards an engineering course, I would love to see a computer simulation of the tower attacks built by engineers- now that, I would pay for!

G-d bless,

Melanie Brock.

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Kevin, thanks for the wise counsel.

Your statement "Worrying about creating more false flags through pursuing justice is a waste of energy. Pursuing justice yields justice; failing to do so yields continued injustice. It's a basic law of the universe."

is most helpful.

Alex.

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Please go the following site and click on 'Bits and Bites' and then scroll down to the very bottom of that page where I hid the information on 9/11 so it wouldn't be nocked off. I wrote that information just a few months after 9/11. Most of it is now being proven true. I am sure the rest of it will be also. Good luck on your very important quest for justice. Nina Fulford
 
http://www.geocities.com/nina_fulford/

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Hal reports from Palatine, IL 9/11 educational 2/16/06 event that I missed due to blizzard conditions:

Considering the weather, attendance was very good - I estimate we filled the room, which seats 45, at about 70%. We had people from as far away as Lake Geneva and Peoria. I revised the plan so that we would show about 10 minutes of a video, then discuss while setting up the next segment.

Discussion was quite lively. I told people about the coming conference in June as well as the possibility of another local event in March.

I think it was a success, and an indication of positive change since the last 9/11 video showing around here pulled in about 4 persons.

Hal

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Hey Kevin,
 
Great article in the Capital Times! I'll email them shortly. I'm also going to post your article as a bulletin on myspace. (my page is http://www.myspace.com/darpamusic)

My only concern is your factual assertions that Osama is already dead and that he died late 01/early 02. Are you absolutely certain? Because if this is just a hunch and he turns up alive later, we could have egg on our faces.
 
-a.a.r.
Maybe he's laying low because he's still working for CIA as the designated boogeyman? But then, that wouldn't explain why he'd originally deny 9/11. Particularly after meeting CIA in Dubai just months earlier.

So is UBL a sincere jihadist who happens to be uninvolved in 9/11?

Or is he an agent provacateur working for the US?

Or both?

It can leave one very confused. Which is exactly what they want us to be: confused and silent. Maybe they're making the phony tapes to deliberately get us in a disinfo trap to discredit us later when UBL magically re-appears?
 
But until we know for sure, would you mind if I excised the material asserting UBL's dead before I post your article on Myspace or send it to debate forums?

Allan R.

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Uncle Jimbo,

It seems to me that you have no interest in getting to the truth of the matter concerning 9/11. I form this conclusion for several reasons.

First, you disingenuously refer to Barrett as a "9/11 denier", as if to morally equate those who question the official story of 9/11 with Holocaust deniers. No one is denying 9/11 happened. We're simply saying it didn't happen the way we were told. And there's a mountain of solid evidence to prove this.

Then I go to your blog. Predictably, one of the first things you do is recommend the Popular Mechanics deceptive hit-piece as "proof" that the "conspiracy theorists" are wrong. If you have any interest in the facts, go to
http://911review.com/pm/markup/index.html
and
http://www.911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/index.html
 
for a thorough point-by-point debunking of the "debunkers".

Then get back to me if you have some actual arguments, mkay?

Then, further down is this little nugget:
 
"Given the CIA's serial attempts to hurt the Bush administration it is foolish to dream that there is still a gargantuan hidden conspiracy, and that none of the thousands of people it would have taken to do, not one single soul has ratted them out."
 
--oh, where to even begin? The CIA wants to hurt son-of-CIA-man Bush? Sounds like your peddling a conspiracy theory there, Jimbo. But I'll be glad to look at evidence of this if you can provide it.
Then you make the tired and absurd argument that 9/11 couldn't have been a conspiracy because someone would have ratted them out. This is wrong on at least 3 levels:

 First, using your logic, all those unsolved Mafia murders couldn't have been organized crime hits because thousands of people knew and someone would have ratted them out, right?

Second, 9/11-as-inside-job would not have required thousands of people being in on the plot. I'm surprised that a military person like yourself would be this ignorant. Haven't you ever heard of the policy of compartmentalization? "Need-to-know"? 9/11 could have been orchestrated as a US false-flag black-op with less than 100 people ever fully knowing what was really going on.

Third, people HAVE ratted them out! Go to
http://911proof.com

 for a list of the many people inside and outside of government, witnesses, victims, rescue workers, firefighters, etc who are trying to tell their stories. Experiences that directly contradict the official story.

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Brilliant Writing Kevin.  Brilliant.  You've put your reputation on the line with this great article.  Keep it up.  Though you're integral in MUJCA, are you also a part of ST911.org?  I hope so, as your credibility lent to them as well will be valuable.  I'm so excited to see your article, and see the spine you and others with credentials are showing.   We are in a  battle that will not be short lived, a battle against some wicked and entrenched "oath bound" and "secret" organizations bent on evil and destruction.  

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It was good to chat with you, Kevin, last night.   I've also read your piece "The Madman Theory:  Or, How I learned to Stop Worrying and Love 9/11".   It's also a great piece with many insightful and helpful points about what we're doing and why in terms of "leadership" by our politicians.   I'll probably reference some of its points in my talk also.   The more I tihink about it , the more I believe that from a pscyhological standpoint, what we're dealing with in 9/11 is analygous to the battered spouse symdrome.  Only in this instance, I'd call it the "battered citizen syndrome".   The citizens were battered by the event and its constant repetition for at least several weeks by the major media--with images of those planes repeatedly flying into the buildings.  That was part of the battering process by the media.

I talked with Emad, my Egyptian friend, who is also a Moslem (by birth) and he read your article ahd had some favorable comments about it.   He has been of the belief that the events of 9/11 were carried out by Saudis, primarily, and I think he may be beginning to change his thinking and views on this.  Articles like yours certainly help.    His website is http://thedefilers.com.  His book, which I couldn't think of the title of last night, is entitled The Defilers: Sowing the Seeds of Terrorism..  (Avialble at Amazon.com.   I contributed a review of the book at that web site.)  It was self published.   It's an interesting read.

I can email you my article "9/11 and the Elephant in the Living Room" as an attachment (it would be too long to cut and paste in the body of the email.  I am a Apple MAC user and don't use conventional word processors.  I can convert the document to one of the conventional word processors or send it as a rich text format (RTF).   What's your preference?

Again, it was good to chat with you and I hope it will be the first of a number of conversations.

                                                        Best regards for 9/11 Truth,
                                                                Pete


Thanks, Pete.

Rushkoff endorses my argument, as the quote from him preceding the article indicates. He's probably wary of the trouble and work involved in taking on this issue, as are so many other folks. I hope he'll change his mind.

I'm in Madison, Wisconsin. My cell number is 608-333-2859 -- I have limited call-out minutes -- if you want to talk just try me any time before 9 pm central.

Good luck with your teach-in!

Kevin

On Feb 17, 2006, at 11:54 AM, Pete wrote:


Dear Kevin,

        I have read several times and underlined prodigiously your superb article and analysis:  Apocalypse of Coercion:  Why We Believe What "They" Tell us about 9/11, which I found on the 9/11Truth.org web site.    It really nails 9/11 as a psychological operation, in my view.

         I contacted Prof. Douglas Rushkoff, the author of the book Coercion:  Why We Believe What They Tell Us, which you reference in your article.   Amazingly, Rushkoff apparently has not written an article about 9/11 as an example of coercive persuasion!   I asked him via email if he read your article and he didn't answer my question.   I strongly suggest he should read your article and I sent him a link to the web site where it is.  He has yet to respond that he's read it and what he thinks of it.  In my email to him, I suggested that 9/11 was the MOTHER of all examples of coercive persuasion!   Since he's a New Yorker and was probably directly impacted by the results of the events of 9/11, his blase--don't think 9/11 is such a problem attitude, absolutely floors me!

         Have you gotten any feedback on your article from any of the Scholars for 9/11 Truth or from any other source?  I am to do a presentation Saturday at a teach-in at Arizona State University on the Psychological Aspects of 9/11.  I would be interested to know what feedback you have gotten on your article, "Apocalypse of Coercion" article.  Can you respond today?

        I like what I see on the MUJCA.net web site and will probably become  a financial supporter before long.  I agree that whoever was behind this event was interested in sowing divsion, hostility and hatred among Arabs, Christians and Jews.  Remember the old adage of the power brokers--"divide and conquer"! 

Kevin:
 
What's your opinion of "911 Eyewitness?"  Personally, I thought it was the best yet!
 
Judith

I agree, it's excellent!
Kevin

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Hello Kevin,

I wonder how many of those attending Dr. Steven Jones' presentation on the campus of Utah's Valley State College auditorium had heard this information before?  I doubt it might have been more than a couple of percent. The american people, at large, need to hear this and soon.  It has been said that perhaps 5 percent of the population were involved to bring about The American Revolution.  The point being, if there is perhaps only a 5 percent awareness of the true data on 9-11 reaching the American public, it could be enough to bring about a proper inquiry and the subsequent doling out of justice that we so desperately need.  Time is of the essence; if Iran is attacked, this info, as well as other pertinent data, will be slowed and to an uncertain outcome.

One idea might be for a follow-up article imploring your readers to spread this information to as many media sources as possible.  High on this list would be calling radio talk programs and participating in blogs.  It is a curious point why 9-11 questions, as a topic, has not been the subject on, for example, 'Air America' radio.  A case in point, is noticing the difference in daytime verses nighttime programming content.  I would especially encourage calling on your readers to phone in to conservative radio hosts and making general (not specific) comments when answering to initial screening questioning.

We are at a point, in this country's history, where we are sitting at a precipice as to which path this nation will follow.  What we do, is affecting the entire world.  An attack on Iran could start WWIII and that would, I am afraid, could bring about a fighting war into the U.S. and almost certainly will lead to civil unrest. It will become extremely difficult to disseminate information if martial law were to come upon this land.  It is past the time to not get involved and it is beyond partisan politics.  It is about our future.
 

God-Speed,
Ed  

"The world struggle is not political or economics.  Rather, it is religious and theological. It is either God or atheism."

Sad, isn't it, that so many 'appointed churchmen' stay secure behind their 'locked/barred' doors hoping everything will simply 'go away', 'leave them alone' and 'work itself out' - to include this US nation's "bishops", "pastors", "priests" etc.?

From the 4th century prophecy of St. Nilus:

"There will be no repect for parent and elders, love will disappear, and Christian pastors, bishops and
priests will become vain men, completely failing to distinguish the right hand way from the left...et al."
- Prophecy of St. Nilus - on-line ref: http://fisheaters.com/nilus.html

One other thing - identify ONE individual in your 9-11 Truth Movement as its 'leader' or 'appointed spokesman'.
In this way, should the Bishops of the Catholic Church wish to respond collectively or individually, they HAVE a personal 'point of contact'.

- Joe

Dear Joe,
Thanks for your support, encouragement and good advice. I think David Griffin, no slouch as a theologian,
has clearly earned the status of "appointed spokesman" especially in dealings with other religious folks.
Kevin

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On Feb 10, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Vic & Cindy wrote:

Greetings,

The following was not a rational statement by a mature organization. Are you trying to gain support with such disrespectful writing? And that's from your coordinator!
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011506B.shtml

Chomsky: 'There Is No War on Terror'

"The fact of the matter is that there is no War on Terror. It's a minor consideration. So invading Iraq and taking control of the world's energy resources was way more important than the threat of terror."

No kidding, Noam. Since the 9/11 coup, Chomsky has been turning his not-inconsiderable intellectual resources inside-out trying to explain how the neocons just got lucky with the 9/11 "New Pearl Harbor" they needed to follow a pre-ordained agenda. Whether he's consciously covering up, or a whole lot dumber than he seems, remains to be determined.

Kevin Barrett
Coordinator, MUJCA-NET 

Thank you for the feedback.

I understand your point.

Most of the 9/11-aware audience (including me) is exceedingly frustrated by the "9/11 denial" of people who should and presumably do know better--an intellectual crime that is, given today's pre-genocidal circumstances, vastly worse than Holocaust denial. (If Ernst Zundel is doing a few years, Chomsky, Amy Goodman and a whole lot of other people should get dozens of consecutive life sentences.)

Faced with what appears to me to be the horrific crime of 9/11 denial, I use black humor to blow off steam; lots of people like it, while some don't. In any case, I only speak for myself, not for other MUJCA endorsers and supporters, who come in all shades and flavors of opinion, tact, attitude, etc. We're a free speech zone, and your comments are appreciated and will be posted.

Kevin


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Dear Kevin,

We are now beginning to take an interest in what happened on nine eleven.  I have had your website forwarded to me but fine the colours make it very difficult to read and also many of the websites links to click on actually will not come up and say webpage not available now.

I thought you may like to know and will have another look at it in a day or so.  Reading the links is difficult because of the colours scheme.  I do understand why you have the color scheme but think it would be better
if they were used as a border rather than make the site difficult to read and hurt the eyes..

Best wishes
Carole

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Hello Kevin! 

Thanks for another fascinating gathering of information and views!  Please don't get

me wrong if I try to make a certain point about solidarity. I had already read Tarpley's article somewhere else and was, like you, impressed with his final call. You describe it as such, it "ends with an eloquent interfaith appeal".

Yet he is much more universally inclusive than your description implies in that he recognizes  that people guided by philosophies, morals, and humanitarian empathy also understand the need to oppose the divide & rule propaganda hate campaigns of the pseudos. He adds this sentence for the rest of us:

These are ideas readily accessible to persons of good will whose outlook is purely secular,  whatever their political persuasion.

Please include all people of conscience and good will, as Tarpley does, because we appreciate what those of you in the three selected faiths of MUJCA are trying to do although we may not come to that common effort on the basis of scripture based-faith. You will find many stalwart fellows, even deists and American Indians who have no particular scriptural basis for their beliefs either, who stand in solidarity with the truth you speak to power. I know you and I believe in you!  You are very brave and brilliant and motivated by a very deep commitment to the well-being of all people. Thank you for understanding this little plea for inclusiveness.  Vic

ps whadya expect from an ex-Catholic? ...LOL

Vic Sadot

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Dear Kevin,

Despite the negative tone of your comments, I agree that US administration is using 'Islamic terror' to keep the
mind of US voter focused on the fear of being attacked.

Apart from economic disaster, my concern is the human cost. nobody cares about how many have died, maimed and disabled for the rest of their lives.

We hate even a small disruption of our daily routine.  In the last 3 years million of lives have been disrupted
not only in the Muslim lands but within our own borders
as well.

Omar

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Please support the grassroots effort in establishing a US Department of Peace:  www.dopcampaign.org  Thanks

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Dear Kevin Barrett,

At http://www.unknownnews.org/060214a-Barrett.html I just read your article called "Bin Laden Tapes Are as Phony as Sept. 11's Connection to Islam."

THANK YOU for telling the truth NO MATTER which side the bread's buttered on, and thank you for being an inspiration to me to do the same.

911 wasn't done by Muslims at all, it was done by people who want us to THINK it was done by Muslims. That's OBVIOUS. Yet, I have been withholding my awareness of those things, by not saying them in my ordinary conversations with people I know.

By holding it in, I have been suppressing the truth, the very thing that I mentally accuse "the media" of doing.

When I do this I'm living my life as this scared little person, but it's not that I'm scared of the fascists, it's that I'm scared I'll look bad in front of the people I know, if I say something they don't agree with!

I've been keeping other people and myself inside a little box, putting a big importance on keeping myself safe from what other people might think. Enough of that!!!

When I'm with people, I'm going to notice when my awareness of 911 comes up (which it does all the time), and instead of pushing it back down again, I'm going to open my mouth and out with it. I'm about to have a whole bunch of unpredictable conversations.

I'm wishing you a really great life, and may you always enjoy telling the truth that makes a difference for people, AND SIMULTANEOUSLY may you always be generating a great livelihood, one that you really love following. By the way I think it's awesome that you know Arabic.

Sam

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A researcher into CIA video/voice sythesis agrees that the "Bin Laden tapes" are phony and supplies the
following links:

Hi Kevin:

Here are some links I said I'd forward.

I hope you can use some of this information in your
next expose.

Regards,

Mike


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/brainw.htm

http://aoreport.com/Studies/projectbluebeam_htm.htm

http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/98autumn/henry.htm

http://www.bell-labs.com/project/tts/tts-overview.html

http://www.tscm.com/CIA_PsyOps_Handbook.html
psyops handbook

http://www.stopcovertwar.com/manchcan.html

http://www.cepstral.com/ (This one is cool - you can
try it out)

http://www.research.att.com/projects/tts/demo.html
(Another good one)

http://www.almexperts.com/ExpertWitness/experts_and_consultants/expert/5156404.html

http://web4.infotrac.galegroup.com/itw/infomark/614/606/79728292w4/purl=rc1_ITOF_0_A76870013&dyn=14!xrn_6_0_A76870013?sw_aep=csunorthridge


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Hello.

First I would like to apologice for my poor english and second I'd like to thank you for your article about those Bin Laden Tapes.
http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/column/index.php?ntid=72574&ntpid=1

I'm saddened to see where the world is going, but with people like you there is still hope. I hope that your word gets a lot of coverage in the media.

Sincerely. Sami Niemelä Finland

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Thank you very much for the brave article "Bin Laden tapes are as phony as Sept. 11's connection to Islam" I posted it on my blog @ www.truthring.org

Zlatko Grozl

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Hi,
 
Good to see more and more people with credentials getting involved in the 911 truth campaign. For a long time my site was #1 ranked with Google for the search term "911 physics" and you just pulled ahead, good job. Does not matter so much to me who gets the word out there as long as it gets there.
Link backs effect page ratings so I would purpose a link exchange with you, we both gain and it will help to solidify our page rank. Here is my 911 physics site url http://www.freedomisforeverybody.org/911physics.php let me know if you would like to exchange links with me. Most of the Grassroots InfoMedia site has to do with 9/11 and other corruption issues that are facing us today.

We also have a popular 24/7 radio show streams at Live 365 http://www.live365.com/stations/alfonslof
 
Thanks,
Alfons 

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Hello, Salam, Shalom,

I just wanted to cheer you up for this great initiative to promote peace in Palestine and all over the world. Keep up the good work. Pease is the only solution anyway.
Fikri (France).

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Thanks for the quick reply. I'll contact the Cap Times to let them know that the one fo the best ways we can get our country back is to print articles like yours and pull back the cloud of disinformation that's out there.

Let me ponder your suggestion about the DVD Discussion group. I've wanted to do things like that for a while. I picked up "Loose Change" and one of David Ray Griffin's DVDs, and those publishers suggest very similar actions. I think the email listing idea may be more feasible for me; I will get back to you on this soon.

Again, continue to speak truth to power!

Ryan

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On Feb 16, 2006, at 6:34 AM, Salim Goga wrote:

This email and all contents are subject to the following disclaimer:

"http://www.msunduzi.gov.za/Email_Disclaimer.pdf" or send a blank e-mail to disclaimer@msunduzi.gov.za to have the document e-mailed to you.

Yes I agree that 911 is as big if not bigger than the “holocaust” lie Everyone in Africa clearly knows that bush and klan were behind 911.

What we can’t understand is how the American citizinary can allow the usa government to mass murder in their name?

Is it because America is not really the land of the free and that people are silenced/terrified into stupefied silence?

Sam of africa

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Kevin,
 
Your latest regarding bin Laden seems to imply that al-Jazeera is a front for the CIA, or at least was conned by them into disseminating the latest broadside -- or do you have a more sinister/realistic interpretation, e.g. that they gain financially by keeping up the pretense?  Der Laden ist jetzt geschlossen!
 
What is your take on the "cartoons" brouhaha?  I see some who claim that it is only a small splinter of Moslems who hold that any portraiture/caricature is forbidden by Islam.  Why were there no reactions in the three months or so after initial Danish publication?  Surely most on the left are not calling for a return to propriety in public discourse, are they?
 
Using his name probably now guarantees we shall both be under surveillance?!
 
Ed

Ed,

I watched al-Jazeera regularly from 2002 to early 2005. Immediately after 9/11 they hosted the Arab world's most celebrated commentator, Mohammed Heikal, who clearly stated that the official story of 9/11 was a joke, and that "al-Qaeda" was so heavily infiltrated that it was just a catspaw for intelligence agencies, not an independent "terrorist" organization. He based this on his own experience as a high-level minister in Egypt, when he was apparently directly involved in the manipulation of "al-Qaeda" by intelligence agencies including his own (which is of course a subservient ally to the US). From that time on, the assumption that 9/11 was an inside job has dominated the entire Arab and Islamic worlds, and is taken for granted by al-Jazeera and its audience. Heikal has repeatedly confirmed this position in his many al-Jazeera commentaries.

Al-Jazeera has never vouched for the authenticity of any of the BL tapes. They simply report them as news, with a subtle skeptical undertone that occasionally surfaces into outright derision. They reported on the "confession video" of 12/13/01 very skeptically--as well they might, since anybody can see that the "BL" is an impostor, and facial metrics analysis proves it (google Scholars for 9/11 Truth). Their most celebrated personality, Dr. Faisal, who hosts al-Itija al-Muakis, has repeatedly let it be understood that he knows 9/11 was an inside job and GWOT is a fraud--but he doesn't harp on this constantly, perhaps to preserve his reputation as a serious scholar and "objective" host. Maybe even his life.

Dr. Faisal hosted a show in October 2003 that ran a poll asking "Who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks--al-Qaeda or the US government?" The result: 11% said al-Qaeda, 89% said the US government. That is probably an understatement of today's public opinion in the Arab and Islamic worlds, including among al-Jazeera personnel.

As for the cartoons, I agree with Webster Tarpley. Go to http;//mujca.com to read his piece.

Kevin

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Hi Kevin,

I've just read your op-ed piece, "Bin Laden tapes are as phony as Sept. 11's connection to Islam", in the Cap Times. The article was linked to by the Milwaukee Indymedia site.

I was disappointed that your piece didn't say more about the, "phony...connection to Islam," instead focusing only on the legitimacy of the tapes (which, consequently, I found fascinating). I realize the need for brevity in op-ed writing, and I wonder if you would consider posting a bit more information about 9/11 and the alleged connection to Islam on our website, http://milwaukee.indymedia.org. Even something as simple as links to further reading would be great.

Thank you for alerting us to the truth behind this shrouded event. I look forward to learning more.

Sincerely,

Creamy
Spoke for the Cream City
Collective for the People (CCCP)
http://milwaukee.indymedia.org
Creamy@moscowmail.com or(soon)Creamy@riseup.net

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I would like to include a link to your article ... (http://www.unknownnews.org/060214a-Barrett.html)
 
on my website at ... http://alaskaintel.homestead.com/page12.html
 
if you have no objections ...
 
Also if you would like, feel free to link back to mine .. but it is not necessary
 
Thanks Much
 
Bill Adams

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Hi Mr Kevin,
 
Unfortunately the bomb timer started yet, since 9/11. By the bomb timer I mean the war between Christian Fundamentalists (Judeo-Christian or the Christian Zionist) “the Good” and Muslims “ the Bad” to permit the coming back of Jesus Christ or “the Messieh” and start the new Millenium that is what the Armageddon is about (Forcing God’s Hand: Grace Halsell 2002)
 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1590080157/qid=1140054920/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-5035479-9520027?s=books&v=glance&n=283155 

If we follow events after events the picture get more and more clear. Remember after the recent events of the Cartoon publication, before, we had the copies of the Quran thrown in the toilets in Guantanamo, but when things start to be calming down we have another event that fuel up the hate between the two Words. Before The Quran issue we had the pictures of Abu Ghrib prison that is back now after the Cartoon problem. And Still to come more and more provocation for the benefit of the extremists of the both side.

Thanks  Mr Kevin

Fehmi T. Damergi
 (Montreal - Canada)

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Well, you have achieved what I thought I would: a Phd. in Islamic Studies.

My BA is in History and Islamic Studies, Univ. of Toronoto, '67. I was way ahead of the curve. You are absolutely correct about the fake tapes.

I can tell you a lot more if you are interested...if not, go forward in truth with no fear.

JohnHawk
Santa Fe, NM

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Great article Kevin, very well written, I hope it got some attention. I also notice you have joined st911.org, Im glad to see you guys organizing, keep up the good work!
 
        Doug Johnson
        Mt. Horeb  

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Dear Kevin,
 
I liked your post in www.whatreallyhappened.com today http://www.unknownnews.org/060214a-Barrett.html
 
So much I enjoyed it that I thought I would send you a fwd I had sent last month to Des Moine Register about the Hu Chant & its ancient Persian/Iran/Iraq connection.
 
Hopefully, the below written by me helps all it encounters (including me, too:>)
 
Yours Sincerely & in Appreciation!
 
Leland Roth

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The article posted in a web blog said you claim that Bin Ladin is dead and the whole 'Bin Ladin did it' and audio tapes are a lie?

Can you send me more information, links, articles that would help support or substantiate this claim??

Thank you in advance

Michael Smith

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Keep speaking the truth. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help spread the word.

Found your article from the "Captial Times" on Unknownnews.org, linked through whatreallyhappened.com.

I keep hoping that this is all a dream and we're gonna wake up a la "Dallas".

Ryan Mc., Los Angeles, CA

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Your article was wonderful, well written, and honest.  It takes a lot of courage to risk your income and tenure to stand up for your principles.  If only our government was as American as you! 
Conee

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ct: Great write-
on the fake tapes.
Conscience is the most sacred of all property.
James Madison.

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Dear Dr. Barrett,
 
Many thanks for your response to my earlier email.  I will forward it to Eric Hufschmid directly.
 
I think Dr. William Monroe, in the CC line, will find your conversion, at least in part, to my analysis of the embedded code to be quite interesting.  He wrote a much-read series of emails to a certain cyber-journalist comparing my technique to that of Dr. John Nash (of A Beautiful Mind fame).  I don't know if experience has taught him better, as it has so many, but I do know that prior to the time he made the point it never occurred to me that the movie A Beautiful Mind might be a propaganda piece (as is always the case in controlled media in time of major imperial wars) designed to make sure that even qualified intelligence officer (e.g., me!) could be dismissed in the event that they "broke the embedded code," since the belief that there was an embedded code in the mainstream media (setting up a terror nuke in the USA, incidentally) was the step into madness for poor Dr. Nash!
 
A Beautiful Mind was, of course, produced before 911, but released afterwards, and on a date full of numeric play:  12/21/2001.  Omitting zeros (as numerologists who do these codes do), we come up with 122121!  Yup, plenty of beautiful minds seem to have been at work!  Incidentally, the same megamedia that gave Judas Miller an award for heroic journalism a few months ago (via the Society for Professional Journalists) gave "ABM" the Oscar for best motion picture of 2001 (via the Academy Awards).  Hmmm...., conspiracy and treason, anyone?
 
As to the matter of a Constitutional Coup (which is what you're writing about), I called for one on the night of 7/28/2005, in the second of my two historic international SOS interviews on the night that the British Petroleum Refinery in Texas City, Texas exploded, within one day of the much-publicized Ghost Troop prediction of another attempt at a 911-like event in the Houston Metro Area.  You've been kind enough to publish one account of this call for a coup in MUJCA.net, along with a couple of emails sent me from a New York Times top reporter and State Department VIP at  http://mujca.com/usmilitary.htm.  My prediction and target analysis of a terror strike against a Houston Metro petrochemical facility goes back to the days before I'd realized that Al-Qaeda was really Al-CIA-duh, in an essay/analysis I wrote as a former general staff officer for the Houston Chronicle at http://www.ghosttroop.net/ducttape.htm.  My opinion about who will carry out the strike has changed, but my view that the strike will come, and that the damage will make New York and New Orleans look like small potatoes, remains the same.
 
Regards, CPTMAY
 

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"I See Satan Fall Like Lightning" is a book published in English in 2000 or 2001. I ordered the paperback from Amazon.com. Girard developes the concepts of myth, mimesis, scandal and the principle of Satan expelling Satan alluded to by Jesus. Using anthropological rather than purely religious ideas, Girard offers the reader a new way of looking at the crucifixion as an unmasking of the work of Satan, a thing 'hidden since the foundation of the world'. Girard is cited by Christian pacifists who seek to understand what 'not resisting evil' (as Jesus taught and demonstrated) means in the real world...

I would recommend this book to any person with a scholarly interest in the foundations of Judeo Christian thought and its impact on later religious and cultural developments.

It appears that Jesus' concept of non-resistance was subtle and akin to the martial art of Akido.  See Girard's deconstruction of Jesus'  interruption of the stoning of the adulterous woman.  See also John Howard Yoder's The Original Revolution.

Non-resistance did not deter Jesus from overturning the tables of the moneychangers and physically driving them out of the temple.  It is no wonder there are so many Christians in the 911 truth movement.  We have an excellent model!

Ellen B
"Blessed are you who are persecuted for righteousness sake...."

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Hi Kevin,
 
Thought you'd want to see this.  I am hoping that Muslims who realize what is going on in the world will unite and help us work to educate the rest that the "angry Muslim" hype that is being promoted shamelessly all throughout the world is nothing but a way to create an enemy that the Insaniac Psychopaths in the Western world can soon bomb in an upcoming nuclear holocaust.
 
With Syria now having just dropped the dollar

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticleSearch.aspx?storyID=256642+13-Feb-2006+RTRS&srch=syria
 
quite frankly?  Things are not looking good for world peace. 
 
By all appearances, it appears that the US & others fully prepare to nuke the people of Iran with fallout that will reach other nations, too.
 
I wanted to send this article along to you - I think it's superb. Perhaps it can be used to wake up people all over the world - but quickly?  Time is of the essence and I wish I could think of some way to rapidly educate people of our need to take sweeping and immediate action - in a bold and creative new way.
 
Here's the suberb piece, Psychological warfare, demonizing Islam.
 
http://www.sfbayview.com/020806/demonizing020806.shtml
 
After reading it, if you have any thoughts for action?  I would truly love to hear them.
 
Best,
 
Cathy Garger
Maryland

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Jim,

I think you underestimate Steven Jones, who has been looking intensively at the full range of WTC data for years. Professor Gordon's article was obviously mass-audience journalism, not an engineering paper. You, your friend, and whoever else should carefully read the Steven Jones academic paper http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html and then review it (and its sources, especially Jim Hoffman) critically, comprehensively and fairly -- rather than just letting loose with random uninformed impressionistic soundbites based on a very short mass-audience journalistic piece by a non-specialist.

I also have a friend who is an accomplished structural engineer. He tells me that virtually all of his structural engineer colleagues suspected that the WTC collapse story was bogus from the get-go--in part because they all have long known that most of the Oklahoma City bombing damage was accomplished not by a fertilizer truck bomb, but with military-grade explosives, and that the a federal coverup complete with murders and persecutions of witnesses and investigators showed that it was a high-level inside job. I have asked whether he or his colleagues might be willing to speak out publicly; he states that this would be too risky to careers, and perhaps individual and family members' health.

Anyway--If you, your friend, or anyone else writes anything worthy of the time of Steven Jones, I will definitely forward it. Please take this as friendly encouragement.

Kevin

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Keven,

I'm sure "my friend" has neither time nor resources for preparing a "reasoned rebuttal" in the form of an academic paper submitted to Academics for 9/11 Truth. He's a Structural Engineer busy with his own projects.

The informal comments I made to friends and copied to you, were third-hand from memory, reported from a talk by the original WTC Structural Engineers. I have neither time nor resources to properly get into any definitive analysis. Nor do I consider (Communications Professor) Philip Gordon's 2-10-6 chatty article an "academic paper" suitable for detailed rebuttal. BYU's Dr. Steven Jones Blows The Roof Off A Utah Auditorium

And, as I alluded, I assume that there are now technical papers in the structural engineering literature, that have gone into the failure modality, based on the specific WTC building design. These are where the failure analysis should be debated.

I simply attempted to forward comments to Dr. Jones (Physicist, not Structural Engineer?) to suggest that he verify his assumptions -- in order to strengthen his overall argument, rather than having it dismissed out of hand, due to minor (assumed but flawed) technicalities. It was in no way a "rebuttal" nor defense of the government's cover-story.

Engineering aside, I have absolutely no problem with the overall investigation of negligence, malfeasance, even conspiratorial collusion of the worst magnitude conceivable. I put nothing beyond the possible, by this rogue regime of NeoCon scoundrels. There is an overwhelming wealth of processed and unprocessed evidence, coming from every direction -- and everyday we learn another atrocity. Why and how they are still in power is a failure of our political systems, almost beyond me.

There are more than enough hard facts, to avoid risking the essential conclusions, due to dismissal of a few weak preliminary technical assumptions. These guys are vicious; bringing them down requires "bombproof" evidence and arguments.

That's all I want to get into. Fwd the comments to Dr. Jones if you wish.

--jim

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In a message dated 2/12/06 11:22:03, khidria@merr.com writes:


Your friend is invited to explore the issue more carefully, write a reasoned rebuttal in the form of an academic paper, and submit it to Academics for 9/11 Truth, mujca.com, 911truth.org, wtc7.net, 911research, and relevant academic journals. If the paper has merit, I'm sure most of these would publish it, and certainly Professor Jones
would answer it.

Before burdening the already-over-emailed Professor Jones, let me make a few points.

First: If you want to write rationally and convincingly about the 9/11 controversy, keep two things in mind: 1) The presumption, in any near-free-fall collapse-into-its-own-footprint of a steel-frame skyscraper, is controlled demolition; any counterargument bears the burden of proof. 2) The presumption, whenever an "incident" leads a
more-powerful country to launch a war on a less-powerful country, is that the "incident" was arranged by leaders of the more-powerful country as a pretext for war. History bears this out in spades. Any counterargument bears the burden of proof.

So far the arguments for the official story are spectacularly unsuccessful at carrying this burden. Indeed, "spectacularly" is a massive understatement.

Now on to the points raised.

>
>  1. For special reasons, the WTC towers had an external structural
> system with massive external columns and long-span floor beams. This
> formed a "cage" which contained the falling upper floors as they fell
> straight down. The lower steel was unaffected by the fire above.

So what explains the near-free-fall speed of the collapses of the
Towers, and the free-fall or slightly-faster-than-freefall speed of
WTC-7 (wouldn't that lower steel provide significant resistance) and
the fact that the bottom portions of the columns were not left sticking
up out of the powdery rubble; what explains the fact that virtually the
entire structure and contents of the Towers were rendered into
extremely fine powder; what explains the extremely rapid UPWARD and
outward ejection of fragments, some of which landed in New Jersey (see
911 Eyewitness video); what explains the shape/configuration of the
clouds being ejected, which mimicked patterns seen only in demolitions
and volcanic eruptions; what explains the "squibs" shooting out the
windows,  running down the buildings several floors below the leading
edge of the collapse; what explains the dozens of eyewitness reports
from police, firemen and others of explosions, which can be heard on
audio tracks (again, see 911 Eyewitness for the audio tracks, and see
Griffin's article for the police and firefighter accounts); what
explains over-insured landlord and Ariel Sharon buddy Larry "seven
billion on a six week investment" Silverstein's inadvertent confession
that WTC-7 was "pulled"; indeed what explains Silverstein's decision to
buy the WTC in mid-July 2001, since the WTC was the biggest
money-losing disaster in architectural history with an asbestos problem
that would have cost far more to fix than the buildings were worth; 
what explains the massive chunks of molten metal still smoldering
months afterward; what explains the complete lack of a standard
forensic investigation of the rubble;  etc. etc. etc.

>
>  2. It's very typical that once several upper floors fail, the impacts
> of these falling, cause catastrophic cascading failure of all floors
> below. (Witness, Saudi hotel last month).
But this doesn't happen at near-free-fall speed (or slightly faster
than freefall, as in WTC-7); the buildings are not turned to powder;
quite a bit of the buildings remain standing well above ground level; 
etc. etc. (see above).

>
>  3. Steel is not "fireproof," never was. Steel increases strength
> slightly up to (500-F?) after which it  looses strength. AISC and ASTM
> Specs call for limiting Steel to (1,000 or 1,400-F) (540 or 760-C).
> Thus, Structural Steel is typically covered with "fireproofing"
> insulation, which provides some time before the beam becomes hot. I'd
> question the maximum 650-C localized fire temperature.

But vastly bigger fires have never even come close to causing any kind
of collapse--much less symmetrical free-fall collapse into powder
accompanied by the sound of explosions and the sight of volcanic cloud
ejections, etc. (see above). If even one steel-framed high rise had
actually collapsed in this manner due to fire, much less three in one
day, the largest and most meticulous investigation in the history of
fire engineering would have been launched, and  insurance companies
would have had to rewrite about their insurance policies for such
buildings. Instead, there was no real investigation whatsoever--just an
utterly blatant, in-your-face coverup, without even the slightest
effort at a standard forensic analysis of the powder, I mean, "rubble."
(Jim Hoffman calculates that the energy needed to produce the amount of
powder observed is vastly greater than available energy from gravity,
probably by a factor of more than 100--see wtc7.net, 911research, etc.)

>
>  I'll easily go as far as them allowing an "Hijacking-Hostage"
> situation to happen, one that became more than they expected. No one
> could have known how this attack might have played out. Many more
> whould have died, had things been slightly different.

It may be that some went along with what they thought was a
"hijacking/hostage" situation, while others remote-controlled the
planes and blew up the WTC. There is however plenty of evidence of
WTC-plane-attack-and-demolition foreknowledge in the US government.
High-ranking State Department Counterterror official Francis X. Taylor,
who was promoted after 9/11,  is reliably quoted as saying "we know all
about the  planes being flown into the WTC" to FBI informant Randy
Glass in summer 2001. Other intelligence types had pointed to the WTC
and said "these buildings are coming down." See The Big Wedding by
Sander Hicks. A whole group of FBI officials had foreknowledge of the
impending WTC attack and tried to stop it, and were threatened. They
went to House of Reps Chief Investigative Counsel David Schippers with
the date and target of the attacks. Schippers tried to warn Ashcroft
and was rebuffed (Griffin, NPH, 84).

Since there were no "Muslim hijackers" (10 are still alive, they
weren't/aren't even remotely Muslim, they trained at Officer's School
at Maxwell AFB in Alabama, the "flight schools" were CIA drug import
facilities, the "Atta" in Florida spoke no German but perfect Hebrew,
there's no convincing evidence that any were on the planes, many of the
"cell phone calls" are clearly bogus--see Hopsicker's Welcome to
Terrorland, etc.) the most likely explanation is either (a) "Operation
Northwoods" style plane switcheroos, and/or (b) remote-controlled
hijackings. Most researchers suspect that the planes were guided into
the WTC from the Command Center in WTC-7, which would explain that
third, otherwise inexplicable demolition, which would have destroyed
incriminating evidence.

Any notion that this would be unthinkable behavior for American
military leaders is demolished by a careful examination of the recently
uncovered top-secret Operation Northwoods documents, which reveal that
every member of the Joint Chiefs signed off on a plan to murder large
numbers of Americans in bogus "terror attacks" to trigger an invasion
of Cuba--a plan designed to be implemented about a month after the
documents were forwarded to President Kennedy, whose refusal was the
only reason it didn't happen.

>
>  Though, there is also way too much unanswered evidence for far worse.
> Hell, the NeoCons have slaughtered tens if not hundreds of thousands
> of Iraqi civilians and coalition soldiers -- for their lie-based
> self-serving damned Imperial Colonial Crusade. They have NO scruples,
> that I've seen. If even 10%-true, it's a disaster beyond belief.
>
>  We need much more than an uncritical report of one Professor's
> somewhat questionable analysis. We need a good inquiry of all WTC
> aspects -- which has not properly happened. (I haven't read them; but
> I'm sure there are analytical articles in the professional
> literature.)
>
>  But, what the hell, if Dr. Jones helps create a demand for a complete
> (honest) Inquiry -- more power to him. There are way too many ugly
> questions unanswered.
>

No argument with any of this part! I hope your friend and/or others
will take a long, hard look at the WTC event in its full context.

  Kevin=

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As I stated awhile back,my Great Uncle King Richard
Plantagenet and the Great Sultan,Salidin were 2 kings that
respected each other,bravery,and honor. I can`t help but
wonder what they both think about this wholesale slaughter
of innocents,for oil and opium,for starters. May God bless
you and yours. Lionhearts.

LIONHEARTS

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have just published a lighthearted movie clip
showing the three different discussion groups
(activism, academia, and media) at the DC ETC
plenary sessions.

http://digitalstyledesigns.com/pages/movieMedia.htm

Best wishes,
Jan Hoyer

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just getting acquainted with your site....
Terrific..!

A Prof Jones video yet?....

would like to have prayer info. i'm in Burbank, ca. ....that's the L.A.
area..

Light & Mirth to us all..............john c.

Hi John,

Glad you like the site. We haven't done a public pray-in yet for lack of a critical mass of people to gather and do it--so it's still an individual thing, where people remember to take a few moments Friday afternoons to pray for 9/11 truth. Here in Madison we're surrounded by hip secularists, and most of the religious folks aren't quite committed enough yet--except the Unitarians, who aren't all that prayer-oriented--though I'm still working on them! If you want to gather some people where you live, do it publicly, and inform the media, that would be great--I'll write an article about you!

The Jones video should be available to be shipped by next weekend. You can pre-order from http://mujca.com--just note that whatever contribution you make is for the jones video rather than griffin.

Thanks for your encouragement, and good luck spreading the word.

Kevin


SUFFERING FOOL GLADLY DEPARTMENT

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Ferran  
Sent:Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:17 AM
Subject Moron BYU Professor (Jones) tell lies about 9/11

I am shocked that Brigham Young University has employed an ignorant moron of such epic and treasonous proportions.  I will be further shocked if he is not removed promptly from his position of trust and confidence.  It has been my understanding that the Latter Day folks are a close knit group who watch out that their members far and wide do not embarrass the community.  In other words, it is my hope that the Latter Days will take the initiative to contact the leadership at BYU so that justice to the truth may be served... (it goes on like this for much too long)

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If you can refrain from substituting ad hominem insults for arguments, you may be able to contribute to the emerging critical discussion of the subject. We desperately need lucid rebuttals to the arguments of Jones, Griffin, etc. So far there have been none. (If you think the PM piece qualifies, we might as well end the discussion. For the reasons, see Hoffman's piece at 911research and wtc7.net.)

If you want to write rationally and convincingly, keep two things in mind: 1) The presumption, in any near-free-fall collapse-into-its-own-footprint of a steel-frame skyscraper, is controlled demolition; any counterargument bears the burden of proof. 2) The presumption, whenever an "incident" leads a more-powerful country to launch a war on a less-powerful country, is that the "incident" was arranged by leaders of the more-powerful country as a pretext for war. History bears this out in spades. Any counterargument bears the burden of proof.

So far the arguments for the official story are spectacularly unsuccessful at carrying this burden. Indeed, "spectacularly" is a massive understatement.

I must say that your writing below does not inspire confidence in your capacity for reasoned argument. But I will be happy if you prove me wrong.

Kevin

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Mark,

If you can refrain from substituting ad hominem insults for arguments, you may be able to contribute to the emerging critical discussion of the subject. We desperately need lucid rebuttals to the arguments of Jones, Griffin, etc. So far there have been none. (If you think the PM piece qualifies, we might as well end the discussion. For the reasons, see Hoffman's piece at 911research and wtc7.net.)

If you want to write rationally and convincingly, keep two things in mind: 1) The presumption, in any near-free-fall collapse-into-its-own-footprint of a steel-frame skyscraper, is controlled demolition; any counterargument bears the burden of proof. 2) The presumption, whenever an "incident" leads a more-powerful country to launch a war on a less-powerful country, is that the "incident" was arranged by leaders of the more-powerful country as a pretext for war. History bears this out in spades. Any counterargument bears the burden of proof.

So far the arguments for the official story are spectacularly unsuccessful at carrying this burden. Indeed, "spectacularly" is a massive understatement.

I must say that your writing below does not inspire confidence in your capacity for reasoned argument. But I will be happy if you prove me wrong.

Kevin

On Feb 10, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Mark Ferran wrote:

I am not really interested in people at all. I don't like them nor do I trust them.  Most Americans and othe