Barrett & Gold Discuss
Bigotry & Holocaust Denial
From Jon Gold:
From: Kevin Barrett <firstname.lastname@example.org>
That's why the 9/11 scriptwriters wrote in "stewardess stabbings" -- they
wanted to trigger the lynch-mob reflex by planting a fantasy of swarthy
darked-skinned ay-rabs violently penetrating innocent American (i.e. white)
womanhood all part of the attempt to psychologically condition people into
thinking it's okay to kill and torture arabs and muslims
From Jon Gold:
this regard, I agree with you. America is currently involved in, and
supporting a Holocaust against Muslims. In regards to Israel using the
Holocaust to obtain a blank check, I agree with you. In regards to the
Nazis not doing what we were told [they did], I wholeheartedly disagree.
I disagree too! I never said they didn't. Don't mistake my attempts to piss
off that asshole Mark Robinowitz for considered opinions ; ) Nor "myth"
(sacred narrative) for "lie."
Remember, I'm the guy who compared Bush to Hitler--that wasn't meant as a
compliment! Though I'm not an expert, I think the Nazis did pretty much what
they're said to have done. And I think Eric's decision to write a
Holocaust-revision book and publish it on the eve of the 9/11 Accountability
Conference is beyond bizarre, and suggests poor judgment to say the least.
Take my word for it Kevin, they did everything we were told. I've met
family members with numbers burned into their arms, and have heard the
experiences first hand. I don't understand the mindset of people trying to
uncover whether or not the Nazis did as we were told. Weren't as bad as we
I never used to understand it either...still don't in some cases...but after
studying African Literature and Arabic for ten years, and hanging around
with people from other parts of the world, I have a different perspective
now than I did ten or fifteen years ago.
The high school history textbook story makes WWII out to be a simple
good-guys-vs.-bad-guys fight. There are some good things about telling it
that way. It discredits eugenics, racism, genocide, and aggressive war, by
associating these things with the evil Nazis. And it makes us feel good
about ourselves and our parents--they were the "greatest generation" who
sacrificed to defeat this evil scourge.
But there's a downside to this black versus white, good versus evil story.
First, it makes it seem as if eugenics, racism, genocide, and aggressive war
are a Nazi peculiarity. In fact, the USA stands on land cleared by a
genocide of not six million, but over sixty million. Eugenics was invented
and developed in the USA, and only borrowed by Hitler. (The first victims of
eugenics laws were multi-racial syncretic Muslims in Indiana, the Tribe of
Ishmael.) The USA is as racist a country as has ever existed, with the
possible exceptions of Nazi Germany, Israel and South Africa. Some estimates
put the number of Africans killed in the Euro-American slave trade at over
100 million (while others say less than 15 million yet are never shunned as
"holocaust deniers.") And the US has been waging nonstop wars of aggression
since the Mexican war of 1847. According to William Blum's Killing Hope,
many millions have been killed in an "American holocaust" of CIA
interventions and wars of aggression since WWII.
The high school textbook version also ignores the fact that it was the
Russians, not the Americans, who beat the Nazis. The US got into the war
late, and only won the relatively small battles on the western front while
the Russians won the huge ones on the more important eastern front. The US
made no effort to bomb the rail lines to the camps or otherwise disrupt the
Holocaust. The American leadership entered the war not to defeat the Nazis,
but to build a global empire on the smoking ruins left by the war. Truman
nuked Japan, twice, not to defeat Japan--they were already defeated and
ready to accept unfavorable terms--but to send a warning to the Russians.
The people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki paid a very high price for that little
So let's look at the American high school textbook story about the heroic
Americans versus the evil Nazis from the point of view of the Arabs. They
see all of the hypocrisy I just described. They count themselves among the
victims of the biggest episode of aggressive war and genocide in human
history, the European expansion, during which European countries, led by
England, conquered almost the entire world and slaughtered a good proportion
of its inhabitants. Almost every temperate zone on earth saw its people
exterminated, replaced by genocidal European conquerers. The Arab countries
(and much of the Islamic world) were almost all taken over by England and
France in horrific wars of aggression. Some describe the Muslim population
reduction caused by European wars of aggression, during which the population
of earth fell from one-third Muslim to less than one-sixth, as a genocide of
over 100 million people. (You are welcome to dispute that figure--nobody
will kidnap you and whisk you off to a prison in Saudi Arabia.)
So is it surprising that Arabs and Muslims, brutally subjugated mainly by
the English and the French, whose genocides dwarf those of the Nazis, have
every reason to say "my enemy's enemy is my friend" and slightly prefer the
Germans, while more importantly lumping all the Europeans together as
genocidal types, rather than distinguishing one genocidal nationality from
Is it surprising that Arabs and Muslims suspect that one genocidal group,
the Allies, exaggerated the evil of another genocidal group, the Axis powers
when they, the Allies, the victors, wrote the history books? Is it
surprising that Arabs and Muslims ask, "If the Axis had won the war,
wouldn't it be Hiroshima, not Auschwitz, that would be held up as the
epitome of human evil?"
Is it surprising that when Arabs and Muslims learn that the official death
count at Auschwitz has been reduced by three million, and yet the overall
Holocaust total is left at the original six million (thanks to exactly three
million newly discovered killings on the eastern front) they suspect that
six million has become a sacred number, not a dispassionately discovered
statistic? Is it surprising that when Arabs and Muslims see that you can
question the details, including the number of victims, of any of the dozens
of other genocides without anyone batting an eyelash, but you may be
kidnapped, spirited out of the country and jailed if you dissent from the
magic six million figure, they suspect that the Holocaust story must be a
sacred myth, not a dispassionate and disputable historical account?
Above all, when they see that the Holocaust story has been used to justify
the genocide of the Palestinians, the theft of the world's most sacred site,
and the threatened destruction of Islam's greatest architectural monument,
the al-Aqsa mosque, by lunatics who are yearning for Jesus to destroy earth
with nuclear weapons...is it surprising when they conclude that they are
dealing with pathological liars and genocidal maniacs, whose Holocaust story
must be a lie too?
As for me, I have no use for the Nazis. I see them as an extreme example of
the genocidal racism of the European expansion. But I am offended that
everyone focuses on the six million Jewish Holocaust victims--who were
killed because they were viewed as dark-skinned "Semitic" non-Europeans, and
who are now mourned because they are now viewed as lilly-white
Europeans--while ignoring the hundreds of millions of other victims of the
genocidal European expansion. I am offended that Israel and the
Zionist-dominated American media mourns every lost "white" Jewish life in
Israel but pays no attention to the wanton slaughter of "nonwhite"
Palestinians, including the intentional IDF sniper-murders of more than 600
harmless children, shot for sport in school playgrounds etc., documented by
the British Medical Journal and Chris Hedges in Harpers magazine?
I think we need to take the Holocaust story out of the sacred myth category,
and put it back in secular history along with the dozens of other genocides.
Above all, we need to admit that the Holocaust was not perpetrated by
Palestinians, put an end to Zionism, institute right of return, and make
Israel-Palestine a state for all its people regardless of religion or
ethnicity. Once that happens, the world's Muslims will quickly lose their
interest in Holocaust revisionism. Until then, anyone who scolds them for
lionizing "martyrs" like Irving and Zundel is a fool and a hypocrite.
People want to incorporate the Holocaust into the movement? Ok, let's
compare the Reichstag fire ultimately giving Hitler the ability to perform
the Holocaust to 9/11 ultimately giving Bush the ability to murder 655,000
Muslims living in Iraq, etc...
Right on! That's unfortunately a pretty accurate historical parallel. Hitler
was the master of false-flag attacks--google Operation Himmler. I always
summarize the neocon philosophy as
"if you can't beat Hitler, join him."
I do not believe Eric William's, Eric Hufschmid's, Christopher Bollyn's,
etc... "work" should be apart of the 9/11 Truth Movement.
Well, I don't like racism or bigotry of any kind. I kicked Kaminski off my
show for bad-mouthing Jews, and would do the same for anyone else. But that
doesn't mean that nothing Kaminski writes has any value, any more than Rabbi
Lerner's pride that his son fought with the IDF (to a Muslim, that's like
being proud your son was in the SS) invalidates his good work. America's
greatest humorist, H.L. Mencken, was an anti-Semite, as were TS Eliot and
Ezra Pound, while almost all white Americans in the 19th century, and most
in the 20th, were racists. For that matter, lots of wonderful, accomplished
Jews have been prejudiced against goys. Lots of people have unfortunate
prejudices and loonie ideas about one topic, while having something valuable
to say about another topic. Exactly when someone's bigotry crosses the line
to the point that you have to shun them entirely is a judgment call. I don't
know enough about any of these three guys to be sure--though Williams' book
sounds pretty dubious, and Hufschmid's remarks about Jews on one occasion
were way over the top. But Hufschmid did do a great book and an excellent
video, and Bollyn seems to have done some good journalism. I say let's try
to speak the truth fearlessly, blast any bigots when they express their
bigotry, but celebrate good work even when it's done by bigoted people.
Heck, if I had to shun every anti-Arab, anti-Muslim bigot, there'd be hardly
anybody in this country left to talk to. I'd have to cancel all my
mainstream media interviews--and where would I be without Hannity and
O'Reilly ; )
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